I was going to write a post about itemization while using the new dungeon finder. But recently I’ve begin to notice a lot of different blogs and reports about hunters not knowing how to play their class in a group.
Being a member of the one class that is always an easy target as being the example of what’s wrong with World of Warcraft, I thought it might be good to give my view on the state of our class. I’ve owed this post for a while now to Khaled so it’s probably a good thing I get around to writing it.
I’ve stated this before. I think hunters are at a unique spot. We have our flaws and we’re broken in places. But honestly as a class we’re fine. All three specs can raid even the toughest content. Admittedly, we won’t be at the top, but bosses will be downed. Loot will be had.
What is troubling are a couple of things. There are still an amazing number of hunters out there that remain either ill informed or choose to just remain uninformed. (Guess it gives me reason to keep Hunter 101 going for a while yet.)
Because of these players, we as a class are rapidly faling prey to the two camps that will make us the butt of many jokes, and having fun playing our class extremely difficult. There’s the “Hunter’s are lame! I saw one needing on Strength and Spirit gear.” and the “If you’re not min/maxing and achieving the highest possible DPS, then don’t roll a hunter!” crowds. I know, we’ve always had them. But for some reason they seem a lot more vocal in the community at large than before. Well, let’s see what we can do about that shall we?
Both can easily be dealt with. However, it will take some effort on both of our’s part. See, both are right to an extent. What is up with that hunter rolling need on +Str and +Sp gear? Really? Have I not taught you guys anything? I guess it’s time for a refresher.
Hunter’s Role
A hunter’s role in any group is to cause damage and to help control wayward mobs.
Too many of us have become complacent with just running in a group and spamming Volley. I’m not just waving my cane and fumbling for my false teeth here. I mean it. Many of us have forgotten that our job is to do more than just shell out damage. Damage is part of it, just not everything.
So remember, you’re job in every group is twofold:
- Deal out Damage
- Control the mobs
Hunter Tools
You have several tools and specs to help you do this, so learn how to use them. Don’t force the tank to ask you for a Misdirect. Don’t have the healer beg you to help get that pesky demon off their back. Instead, have them thank you for doing it.
Are you noticing that the tank is a little undergeared? Don’t you dare whine and drop group. No butts! Hush! ZIP IT!! Shush! Okay, now that I got it a bit quieter.
See, We have a ton of tools that can help the tank that might be a bit undergeared. Now we can’t make up for the tank not being Defenced Cap. All we can do there is try to kill the mobs faster and hope they don’t smacked by a massive Crit.
- Otherwise, got a Tank that can’t generate threat? Misdirect!
- Got a Tank that can’t maintain threat? Misdirect, Feign and pace your DPS.
- Got a Tank that’s can’t handle multiple mob pulls? Misdirect, Trap, Pet Tank.
See we can make that Tank look like a hero. Now they might not love you because they’re getting whacked upside the head so much. Meh! That’s their job! They’re the Tank they get whacked so our Healer doesn’t.
Also, don’t get so hung up on Misdirects and DPS Meters only to see that your having to drop into Viper all the time and your Healer is spamming /Raid or /Party with OOM after every pool. Seriously! Didn’t you know you could help with Replenishment? Yep, we can bring solid DPS, manage threat, control mobs, AND help our group regenerate mana. If we don’t have utility and can bring stuff to the party, then no one can.
So like I said, learn the tools of your class. It’s not just about the meters, but downing the bosses.

Spec Choices
Remember when I said all three specs are raid viable? Yeah, I know you nearly hyperventelated as you probably starting punching kitties and throwing your mouse at the screen. (By the way, nice left hook!)
Well, I’m here to tell you this. All specs are Viable but may not be Optimum. See the difference?
Okay, let me try and help clarify a bit.
By being viable I mean “capable of working, functioning, or developing adequately” (Websters Online).
Whereas Optimum is “greatest degree attained or attainable under implied or specified conditions” (Websters Online)
Now that we got that cleared up you and your guild or raid group need to determin how to proceed. Just understand, because you’ve decided to raid BM because it’s viable, doesn’t mean you’ll sail through without wipes or a few extra repair bills. If you want to play the game that way, then you really want to play Optimum-ly. Neither is correct and both will lend itself to being fun. It’s more about setting expectations.
Now the caveat. Your guild allowing you to raid as Beast Mastery does not give you a license to just throw talent points here or there not worrying about the consequence.
If you’re not going with the more acceptable specs, be prepared to defend your reasoning. You’ll be surprised at how many people might disagree with your choices but will respect the fact you understand why you made them.
Then again, some choices just don’t make sense. I guess I’ll put it this way. If you’re in my Battle Group and I happen to inspect you and I see your spec has PathFinding, Thick Hide or you’re running with at Hit Cap and still have 3 points in Focused Aim. I’m going to smack you with the biggest Red Snapper I can find all the way through the raid. I mean it!
So if you’re raiding go get a sensible spec. Heck! Here’s a few suggestions.
Beast Mastery
Marksman
- **7/57/7 (**Rilgon’s Low Hit/High ArPen Spec) -
- 7/57/7 -
- 7/57/7 (High DPS)
Survival
Use one of these and they can’t pick on you really. They might still argue a point here or there, but they’re all solid specs to run with.
Pets
I’m not going to sit here and fight over the benefits of a Wolf with Furious Howl. Or why Spirit Beasts or any Exotic Pets should truly be a better raiding pet. Instead I’m just going to say this. Make sure you’re using a Ferocity pet. That’s it. These are DPS pets and should be used when you’re raiding.
Yes, I miss Fat Elvis he’s in his shell at the stables. But I bring along ElvisLives because I know it helps me be the best hunter I can be.

Gear Scores
OMG! WTF! We went away from managing everyone via spreadsheets to now gearscores seem to matter? I have two words for gears scores. BITE MY HAIR DWARVEN <BEEEEEEEEEEEP>
(We’re sorry for this interruption but it seems that Brigwyn has had a bit of a melt down. We’ll return to this post as soon as it’s safe to do so.)
And another thing. If I’m ever in another <BEEEEEEEEP>
(Nope, seems he’s not ready yet.)
So there you have it. Basically, Gear Scores don’t mean crap!
Gear Choice and Itemization
AH! Now you’re talking. We’ve mentioned this time and time again. You can take crappy gear as long as it meets some base requirements. We’ll review them here.
- Hit Cap – Heroics 6%, 10/25 Man Raids 8%. If in doubt? It’s 8% or 263 Hit Rating. And yes, Focused Aim does transfer to your pet.
- Beast Mastery – Focus your stats using: Attack Power > Agility > Crit
- Survival – Focus your stats on: Agility > Attack Power > Crit
- Marksmanship – Focus your stats on the same as Survival, Agility > Attack Power > Crit. If you insist on doing the Armor Penetration route, then you better be over 900 ArPen and climbing.
- Never, EVER pick up that +Int +Spirit gear. If you do I swear I’ll hunt you down and revoke your Lodge Membership!
- Curious about Enchants or Gems? Simple follow your specs priority.
DPS Targets
Simply put you want to target 1,500-2,000 DPS in Heroics. That seems to be the acceptable minimum DPS range. If you’re doing this and getting crap from the raid then send them my email address and have them explain to me why that’s not acceptable. Seriously! I want to know why!
Really though,if you’re geared, specced correctly you should easily be doing 1,500 DPS in Blues and maybe 1 or 2 Epics. Heck! You can do 1,500 DPS in Blues and Greens.
Now for raids? If you’re stepping into IceCrown 10/25 mans. You really should be pulling around 4,500-5,000 DPS minimum. If you’re not able to do this then there’s other issues at hand.
I know people that can pull double this without too much trouble. But don’t step inside Ice Crown Citadel with your newly crafted epics or freshly mix set of Tier 7, Tier 8 and Tier 9 and think just because you’re doing 6k DPS you should be worshiped. Most of these guys are tipping the meters closer to 9 or 10k and expect everyone in their group to do the same. So you have some catching up to do even then. Just play smart and be polite. You should be fine.
DPS Meters
WTH! You now want to start me on the <BEEEP!!> meters! What the <BEEEEEP!>
(We’re sorry for this. Seems we’ve hit another one of Brig’s hot buttons)
Besides, who the <BEEEP!>
(Nope he’s still ranting. Maybe we should give him a bit.)
So keep you meter scores to yourself. They’re not accurate to anyone but yourself and are more ment to be gauges than measurements of epeen.
Well I think that’s enough for now. I Think we basically covered the basics. We’ll go into each of these in more detail another time. But hopefully, this will be a good refresher and primer to keep the DPS Meter junkies at bay as well as those that are just chomping at the bit to discredit hunters.
If you’ve decided to just skim this and want a TLDR version? Here it is.
- Hunters are for DPS and Mob Control
- All Specs are Raid Viable but not all are Optimum
- If you Raid as Beast Master better use a sensible spec
- Select the gear for your Class and Spec
- Gear Scores can bite my <BEEEEP> (We apologize again folks.)
- Minimum DPS Targets 1,500 Heroics or 4,500-5,000 for Ulduar, TOC or later 10/25 Man Raids
- DPS Meters – Shut the <BEEEEPS!> (We’re truly sorry folks.) So just delete them if you can’t be polite.
I think that covers it. Let me know if you think I forgot something or as always, if you disagree or just feel you have something you want to say.





So there you have it. Basically, Gear Scores don’t mean crap!
Thank you.
I’ve personally found for BM that the marksman tree is going to be far more beneficial for your extra points than survival. I use a 55/16/0 after many, many, many BM respecs and trials and I’ve found this to be one of the most beneficial raiding and general PvE specs. I actually wrote a guide for it, but don’t know if linking is a no-no (says I can use the tag so I figure it’s probably okay, but if not please just remove the link):
Beast Mastery
Hey Spirit!
Interesting idea with the 55/16/0 spec choice. I’ll have to give it a try one night.
In all honesty, I’m all for different suggestions. I truly feel that what might work for me or recommended by a spreadsheet might not work for you. It’s all situational. Something that many players tend to forget.
Thanks for the comment and link.
A friend sent me here for good hunter info. I’m trying to improve my DPS and skills, and get ready for 80/raiding.
I’m just going to live here, now. Here’s my bedroll. I’ll try and keep Fluffy out of the flowerbeds. Tx.
This is a great post. All the info I needed for a noob. Question though. I have solloed my 23 levels thus far. I am a casual player right now. At what point should DPS be a concern for me. I am going with a BM skill tree. Also, is there a list of what gear I should consider for certian levels? I am a recent transplant from FFXI so this is all so new and different for me.
Sanjito – As someone who just finished leveling a hunter I’ll pass along my advice for what it’s worth.
You really don’t have to worry about DPS when soloing. Having said that if it does become and issue I’d get a tanking pet. I personally used a bear for quite awhile. I switched to a cat around 60 or so rarely pulled off of him. But I wasn’t also pulling a bunch of mobs. The best thing that you can do is get a macro for sending your pet in and wait for a couple of seconds before shooting!
BM tree is great for leveling. No worries there.
As for gear, make sure you get some hit, if you have the chance, attack power and intellect (I passed up some stuff that had intellect on it while leveling and it made it a bit frustrating…so intellect is not a bad stat!) seemed to help as well. And the king stat for hunters, as I’ve read, is agility. So yeah. Intellect gets you a bigger mana pool which means less time in one of your aspects (get them all confused!).
Best of luck!
@Jjohnson
You’ve made some great suggestions. I’d only add one thing…
MISDIRECTION!! /Facepalm I can’t believe you didn’t mention Misdirect as part of your pull macro. Have I not taught you anything..
lol j/k
You’re right though. If you’re not using a Tenacity pet with Thunderstomp then you need to take extra care and wait before pullin.
Brig – Your right. Misdirect helps out a lot, and I should have used it more than I did leveling. But honestly I rarely pulled off of my pet and if I did they were dead by the time they reached me.
@Sanjito
You’ve probably already seen the response from Jjohnson but I wanted to be fair and throw my 2cents in.
You really should only be concerned with your DPS when you notice you’re dying more than the mobs are. If you can’t kill what you’re fighting then you probably have a DPS issue. Typically, this doesn’t happen until you get to level 80 unless you’ve stacked +Int and +Spell Power (Don’t laugh, it happens.)
Now, as far as gear for specific levels? Hmm.. If you’re questing you probably are picking up decent gear along the way. If you’ve gone into the new LFG then I would suggest using WoWHead as a list. It’s really easy to filter based on level and preferred stats.
Hope to see ya around more. Feel free to give me a shout anytime.
Nice to see someone doing this.
I have to add a LOT of what you need to think of as requirements are greatly influenced by your guild, and by that I mean how helpful or understanding they are, not how über they are. 4500-5K PDS is all well and good but if you are with a solid group you sure shouldn’t obsess about it … at least for 10′s up to ICC (which I m just starting in).
Sanjito …
Leveling with a bear and thunderstomp is just a ton of fun. I grind with one in BM to this day. Multiple Mob groups are not an issue once you get you TS/Target Hopping Swipe/MD/and Mend Pet synergy working. If you are Draenei don’t forget a racial healing macro for your pet, too. 2 Mend Pets can be a real boon in some situations.
Practice moving mobs around with your pet. I’m amazed at how many hunters still send and forget, or worse yet don’t even send consistently. Learning how to chain pull with your pet is key to speedy leveling. Send at A, growl/swipe/sting, stop shooting …send at B, repeat … send at C Mend Pet, repeat and add TS, then MD, BigRed and Volley … try it, it’s fun. Also great for skinning!
Hey there! I’ve been an 80 hunter for awhile, but I do have to admit that I pretty much just quested my way to lvl 80.. I don’t have the greatest of gear yet, but I’m workin on it. My question is this.. I did a heroics raid tonight and pulled 1910 dps but only dealt 16 percent damage.. Is that terrible?? Now, my dps was higher then everyone in the raid but the tank of course, yet, their over all damage done was a lot higher then mine. Why is that? Is it the way I play?? Any help would be appreciated. Thank You!
On my hunter I have been sticking a frost trap in front of the healer with undergeared tanks, so when the mob comes running at them, they at least get a little more breathing room